Jennifer Morgan: We still have time to switch climate change | @Leeroy Matata  | yourMSC
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Jennifer Morgan: We still have time to switch climate change | @Leeroy Matata | yourMSC


hello everyone my name is Leroy and my
next guest will be Jennifer Morgan she became director of Greenpeace
International in 2016 feel free to engage with us during my
conversation with her what do you think about environmental activism leave me a
comment and enjoy the interview hello everyone thank you for tuning in
and hello Jennifer Morgan thank you for being here
you good I’m great it’s good to be here okay good then we’re gonna start with my
first question when was the last time you have seen your family my family I
saw just a few days ago before I came here okay
and how big is your family how can I imagine did you make big big big family
events or is it easier well my immediate family is pretty small
My partner and I lived together we don’t have any kids my family family from the
US cuz I’m originally from the US is in Chicago and the last time I saw them
actually was just a few weeks ago we all got together at my father’s place in
Chicago cool that’s pretty cool okay what do you think what is your personal
sin do you live a hundred percent carbon-free not a hundred percent no I
think it’s pretty hard for anybody they live 100 percent and I think people
should do their best and give themselves a break if they don’t but I
my greatest Carbon sin is flying okay so for work and because my dad lives in
Chicago I fly and try not to do it and if I do it I try and stay a long time so
that I combine a lot of things but yeah that’s probably it I mean I I think been
vegan vegetarian for 30 years and bike and all that kind of good stuff but the
flying things the hardest okay thanks for sharing yeah as the head of
an organization like Greenpeace how much time is left for your private activities
like watching movies or going partying maybe ya know I love to dance yeah yeah
I love to dance and you know what I try and do is I work
really hard during the week and then I take the weekends off so during the week
I still make time to do yoga I love to do yoga but then on the weekends is when
I see my friends it’s when I go biking it’s when I go dancing if I if I have
the energy and that’s the balance I think it’s really important to make sure
you don’t work on weekends okay Jennifer Mullin is dancing on weekends no we know
it okay come to Berlin you are an environmental activist and do you
remember that maybe that one special moment that make you fight for this
cause you know I actually I actually do I I I have an older sister who’s she’s
an environmentalist she’s a scientist and she she had a big influence on me we
went camping when I was a teenager and I’ve always been kind of more the
international relations political person and then when I was studying to get my
master’s I remember I opened a book by Petra Kelly who was one of the founders
of the German green party mmm called fighting for hope and I read this book
and it combined the the root causes for environmental destruction for you know
violence against women for you know and and then proposed a way forward for
peace and for ecological sanity and I read it from the beginning to the end in
one sitting and I just knew I knew that my world had come together of caring
about the environment and my kind of global political thing and that I could
actually had a direction okay that’s that’s pretty interesting
it was amazing okay okay one moment okay next question what was the craziest
situation you remember you experienced in your time as an activist hmm
craziest I think that’s a hard one there’s a number of the different ones I
think a crazy this time would be you know if you’re if
you’re an activist and you’re kind of trying to work to engage people right
while at the same time trying to engage a negotiation there was a moment in my
mind where we were in the climate negotiations where people every year the
ministers get together and Japan was playing a really negative role and so we
were generating a lot of pressure on the outside against Japan and I was the one
who kind of had to confront the foreign minister at the time and it was an
uncomfortable moment maybe not crazy but it was an uncomfortable moment but I
think that’s I think that’s what we need to do like you need to kind of we all
need to go a bit out of our comfort zone and and do maybe a bit of crazy things I
mean in green peas we have ships and been on the ships and done some crazy or
fun activities there but you know whatever it takes
peacefully peacefully peacefully okay in my community there are many young people
who go to the Friday’s for future demonstrations and on the other hand
there is a new trend throwing trash on the ground and shouting sorry grater and
my question is what are the reasons for these different views on climate change
what do you think well my sense is that grete has in a way opened up like given
voice or permission of many young people to say their feelings their fears and to
actually be heard in a way and like and i think that that i think i think it’s
unleash that and almost given permission but it’s it’s given voice to that which
nobody had really kind of done that before right I mean you everybody you
can say well teenagers or whatever should be able to say what they want but
there’s not necessarily a culture that that
that allows that and I think the I think the counter stuff oftentimes is
organized so if you look at the the thing that worries me more is like the
the hate type of stuff that’s going into young activists these days and I think
it’s oftentimes it’s quite organized by trolls that are coming through to try
and I saw it after greatest speech at the UN it just shocked me and I I think
it also comes with like discomfort because Greta is speaking the truth then
Fridays for future speaking the truth and then maybe it’s a counter you know I
don’t care kind of a reaction but oftentimes those reactions are aren’t
are there’s something behind them like there’s organizations behind them that
are trying to bring climate denial into the public debate yeah that’s that’s a
good point maybe you can help me sometimes we all
know this feeling we have maybe pre lazy and what do you think how can I have as
an individual to to yeah to help the environment without and creates efforts
I think I think there’s a ton that you can do with little things so maybe one
one easy send an email to your representative okay so that does mean
you have to find out who that person is and you can just go online pull that out
there’ll be an email address send an email that says you care about climate
and want that person to do the right thing okay mmm now we talked about bands
bands are usually quite unpopular and Germany we discussed driving bands or
the speed limit on the Autobahn you know the Autobahn what do you think about
pants I think that there are things that need to be banned I mean why is anybody
still using single-use plastic straws anywhere why do we still need the
combustion engine cars you know cars run by diesel but I
think oftentimes the German debate if I can talk about that for a second it gets
into this banning discussion rather into the solutions discussion because there
are solutions for all of this stuff right I mean and the what we need is
people to actually though help make those solutions possible so if you want
to be riding if you live in the countryside and you want to be able to
get into the city without driving a car well then you need to help we need to
get public transport out there or if you want a renewable powered electric
vehicle that’s hip and cool and the automakers are saying that they are
making those they’re not really very much then you know then then you it’s
your right and if you live in a democracy then you should be kind of
demanding that so we do need to ban stuff but we also need to make sure that
the solutions get scaled up fast because they’re there but oftentimes it’s these
auto companies or others who are working real hard to make sure that we stay in
the past okay so we should focus on the solutions
not on the events we should do both we should do both and I think sometimes in
the German debate is mostly on the banning okay right but I actually think
that there’s an incredibly positive future for people you know if you think
about it less pollution especially in mega cities around the world where
people sit for hours and traffic to get somewhere right so less pollution
so there’s definitely it’s healthier you know more convenient anyway so you can
get there and I think it’s important to keep that in mind okay thank thanks for
sharing as a youtuber I’m always asked how do
you make your money and in my case it’s really complicated to answer this
question what about you how complicated is in your case my case is pretty easy I
mean I make my money well I work for Greenpeace and Greenpeace only is
financed by people so when I come here and I take the train here it’s because
people gave Greenpeace money and then how I make my money well I have
conversations like this I I try and convince people to that give speeches I
talk to people I also have to run an organization so I try and make sure that
people who work there have good working conditions but I make my money because
people actually fund Greenpeace which I find amazing okay thank you now you have
to be honest with me do you believe that we will be able to stop the climate
change at all I do I do I I think that the question right now is how much we
can stop I mean climate change is already
happening we’re already feeling the impacts of climate change I mean you can
see it around the world what’s been happening in Australia and the bush
fires or the storms and Mozambique you can see it everywhere
and I think the next 10 years are the it’s the decisive decade actually we
have to cut in half the emissions around the world now whether that happens or
not is really about leadership it’s about whether heads of government
whether CEOs are gonna actually listen to Fridays for future or whether they’re
gonna stay in the past and we do still have the time to switch that and every
tenth of a degree of temperature increase matters so it’s really not if
we can or not it’s about how much we can avoid yeah but right now it’s urgent
I mean it’s like we’re on this pathway of going way above where human con where
the earth has never seen with humankind on it so that’s why you know it’s so
it’s so important that people get engaged cuz we need to change the course
of history but that’s why you’re here that’s why I’m here that’s why I’m
pushing the generals and the security advisors
anybody I can presidents whoever will talk to me okay
okay Jennifer let’s go on to my final questions to wrap this conversation up a
little bit we would like to get a bit more personal again we call it the
rapid-fire questions and you have to answer in a few sentences what are the
three things our world needs to become a better place three things compassion
cooperation and knowledge thank you and now you have to complete the following
sentence driving an SUV is is yep driving an SUV is horrible for the
planet and shouldn’t be allowed okay and the next sentence if we finish the next
sentence in one words in a perfect world what would be your job
oh again in the perfect world your job will be defunct we wouldn’t need
Greenpeace anymore in a perfect world because we would have solved climate
change thank you identify you’ve made a good
job thank you thank you for helping me in my first English interview and great
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